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| re: on birthdays and the birth of censorship and whatnot fractalcore 21 Jun 08 7:03PM | Thread Closed |
>...totally untenable of course -- need our head altered. but, running
> around naked in the desert -- you been to isreal? seen the dead sea?
> you don't wear nothing at all if you can help it -- especially not
> some hairy old animal skin. so, here's john running around, and maybe
> friends with the j-dude, though i doubt it -- the symmetry thing seems
> too obvious -- the need for an entity at the exact world-time opposite
> of jesus. but, yes, i do want to immerse myself in water -- it's
> what's mostly in my writing -- and will take you all into water --
> nothing personal though -- like, what you do with water is your own
> thing with water.
>
> reality of being naked in the wilderness is there's no one to share
> it with. that's the good part....
would prefer scaling the Himalayas first and get naked there for a
wishful nanosecond to running naked in an Israeli desert but if the
latter costed less and if i had the money then maybe i would. need a change-of-username at this point? you're exactly the john the baptist
you're describing and that's what i meant.. me, i'd really literally like
to spend more time in water or stay afloat on it longer as i can't swim
that well and there've been many times i almost drowned.
now i'm figuratively in the water with what i'm doing and especially
more so when i read your poetry. you've taken a lot more risk than you
should've and there's no stopping, not for a guy like you, till maybe we
all understand and see the point and kindness in all your gestures,
bullying or otherwise.
: )
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| re: on birthdays and the birth of censorship and whatnot fractalcore 21 Jun 08 7:07PM | Thread Closed |
> The only thing I can think of is joey's white knighting for the
> prickly invaders, not to mention his few s(hit) choice words. I like
> joey, I genuinely do, but he tends to be either be anal retentive or
> have diarrhea of the mouth.
well, i thought "Ode to Cactus" was a legitimate poem, but that's
beside the point. his white-knighting for them PLA guys was a
whining gesture, wasn't it? we all whine about something, don't
we?
: )
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| re: on birthdays and the birth of censorship and whatnot joey 22 Jun 08 5:41PM | Thread Closed |
john was cool -- he didn't need to invent anyone after they'd gotten wet -- all he wanted to do was show them this new way of thinking -- being a poet. the corporate religion types changed it into the element "water", since water was good and all, but not as good as oil. i really doubt the two of them ever met... but, then, i really doubt that a single jesus is what we're talking about. more likely to me is that there were several people running around doing this kind of thing... as though, a hundred years from now, after the fall of Aromica, somebody writes a book about this guy "hippy" who lived in the 1940-1960 era, guy who had a real profound influence on people and then got assassinated.
this thing you're saying, how they're using it, "inventing", is similar to the way people here feel i get to subjective on them, and assume too much -- try to tell them what they're thinking. that's a poet's thing, an artist's thing, and it's ok to die when you're an artist... the bad thing is to live your life out as a joe who couldn't quite find the next floor.
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| re: on birthdays and the birth of censorship and whatnot fractalcore 22 Jun 08 5:59PM | Thread Closed |
good to have you back, john doe bop-teased, er jaw-wee, er joey.
no, i don't think they were ever formally introduced or made to share tea
but the water somehow connects them. you're right, anybody could be a
pukin' jeezuss messiah but i tend to think that that person should first
get immersed in water by no less than john doe bop-teased himself before
any real work is done. apparently all those john does not affiliated with the
so-called "underground secret societies" get assassinated and noticeably
all such murders done for and in the name of jeezuss? now who's the mob
really? and those dead johns get reincarnated to die yet another sad death
by the hands of the Nth generation of those murderers. wisdom is supposed
to bear wisdom, ain't it? and free will is free-wheeling, too.
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| re: on birthdays and the birth of censorship and whatnot unknown 22 Jun 08 6:07PM | Thread Closed |
thanks for the B'day props fractalisciousness -- AlchemiA cannot sign in anymore as part of the 'cleanup' I expect -- so I'm AphroDite until or maybe for awhile -- the j-team may have been in contact as they used the essene connection -- the Dead Sea Salt has an interesting inner texture and can be used as a healing substance -- turns to Gold with the right sort of beckon'ing -- joey has a way of seeing the Art of even the PLA hacks and like any iconoclastic sees the worth of a good shakeup -- appy 63 joey
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| re: on birthdays and the birth of censorship and whatnot fractalcore 22 Jun 08 6:11PM | Thread Closed |
ey, how's the party, Alc?
i saw AphroDite comment in one of my pieces and thought
that you got caught in the crossfire, too. btw, hee seed it'd
be hissss 62nd.
maybe he's 101 already, hehe.
: )
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| re: on birthdays and the birth of censorship and whatnot unknown 22 Jun 08 6:17PM | Thread Closed |
according to the Chinese Mystics it's 63rd as you have to add 1 for being in the belly as that is an experiential process too --
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| re: on birthdays and the birth of censorship and whatnot joey 22 Jun 08 6:19PM | Thread Closed |
explain the jesus thing about water, for me... cause i'm seeing the writings -- the Book thing -- as being more a mixing of earth and water to make the concrete... so to speak. i'd need to know if J. actually, in his own words and not the words of his press secretaries, used "baptize you in water" at all. the only reason i can think of that being the case -- since this jesus of the book is not intuitive, is not an artist -- by definition, the guy's going for sainthood -- and i can't think of him needing any transactional gesture except the possible kiss of brotherhood or the withholding of that kiss. it seems more likely that the idea of immersion, the knowledge of water as a holy element -- a pagan idea of substance and innate spirit -- was current in the area and at that time. i think, for us, it's simply necessary to think conceptually on these substances -- what is it that water represents, if not the fluid and accepting -- motion and stasis.
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| re: on birthdays and the birth of censorship and whatnot fractalcore 22 Jun 08 6:47PM | Thread Closed |
as what i just stated in the other thread, J was generally way too kind
in words as he might've deemed the necessary approach to reach the
joes -- and that is not to discount one occasion when he got really
upset in that "marketplace" -- or public place if i'm not mistaken -- and
started smashing things up. also, he demonstrated some magic and/or
miracles which i see to be the workings of a very advanced yogi if not
merely figurative language sensationalizing this great man. the Book
is not really he talking as he didn't start any written moral code or coded manifesto for the next generations to ponder on, the point being that
"salvation" is a personal thing which nobody can impose on another and
that it takes some toiling or practice to get to the desired end which is
just another start of a seemingly new thing after all. he was in direct
contact with his followers and his personal touch was all that mattered
not needing any handwriting or written material at the moment they
spoke. however, the writing as an attempt at posterity and to convey the
"point" of all this existence/art/nature/poetry, is a necessary evil if not
good. we get really good at it and sloppy at the same time...with water to
facilitate learning and/or understanding.
: )
one has to learn to float
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| re: on birthdays and the birth of censorship and whatnot fractalcore 22 Jun 08 6:54PM | Thread Closed |
oops, that last line's either supposed to be there or not.
and btw, AlchemiA says you'll be 63 at the same time
come tuesday. he's got a point.
maybe 102?
: )
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