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| who best reads a poem? a novelist or a poet? joey 18 Aug 08 6:09PM | Thread Closed |
problem: the novelist knows how to write prose. problem: no poet is good at prose. critique, here, is in prose.
talking to another poet you recognize the person is a poet by how they ask about your work and what you're doing -- there's a suspicion in the air that they're talking to a fake, and a small apprehension that you might be better than they are.
what is 'better'? it's always been writing the most honest and not faking experience and not talking about stuff like it was opinion time -- like you really new anything about anything except how to put words together in a cool way.
so,
who's a good critique here?
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| re: who best reads a poem? a novelist or a poet? netskyIam 18 Aug 08 6:18PM | Thread Closed |
"no poet is good at prose"
idiotic opining stated as fact. how assholier you are than anyone I've ever come against on the net.
"no poet is good at prose"
Geeze, I guess that pretty much closes the book on Sandburg (oh, but he's dead) and on a host of great literary figures of the past, in particular.
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| why I call =him= the troll netskyIam 18 Aug 08 6:20PM | Thread Closed |
http://www.poetrycritical.net/forum/read/151620/2/
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| re: why I call =him= the troll netskyIam 18 Aug 08 6:21PM | Thread Closed |
^
and that is the end of my trolling of joey period
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| re: who best reads a poem? a novelist or a poet? joey 18 Aug 08 6:27PM | Thread Closed |
so, it seems to me that the problem is a real problem for poets -- that we can't be casual and conversational, that we don't understand what people are saying to us when we're kids -- that we're both over-literal and overly musical -- we hear conversation as music. you've seen artists, haven't you? how a dancer moves from the very first in a kinetic force -- not the athletic force into the world, but the grace of restraint. how the poet sounds out a rhyme when they're a kid, cause they like to rhyme, but how they say those small sweet things which evoke, and say them every now and then as though they were not quite from around here.
one thing i do know is that no novelist has ever written a real poem -- a poem where you had to give up being mr. know and instead yield to the music of wording.
the responses to the other thread, the one on "who's your crit?" got into personalities, and maybe that made a mod nervous -- the mod's here aren't very conceptual -- but it's the personality of the poet which is the poetry of the poet. i think that's very important to think about. you are your poem.
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| re: who best reads a poem? a novelist or a poet? netskyIam 18 Aug 08 9:06PM | Thread Closed |
"you are your poem"
not really, but sometimes, sort of:
___________________
Invoking Bobo
About all I hold of yours, Bobo, is a Ponce de Leon yearbook,
1944, that summer when my dad and you
became a pair of first-rate liars, enlisting underaged
to aid the cause, so alike, so many priors,
Bobo—son of Rath, the principal of that high-school.
You were an only child and with your best friend, made a rule,
whatever one decided on, the other pal would also do.
My dad survived—while you crewed
an ambulance in Europe. My dad came home
and sired this son. You died overseas in an overturn
in the body of a boy to be borne home.
My middle name is Reid. My friends all call me Reid.
It's for you, my first name's—Robert—nearly all I know
of you is here. I'll never use your name, myself.
But I will, just this one time, to recall life
to you, yourself, the man,
who is not even yet eighteen.
Robert Welch to Robert Rath
___________________
War images, graphic, of which side, hardly matters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFRrmA5NcuA&feature=related
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| re: who best reads a poem? a novelist or a poet? OKcomputer 18 Aug 08 9:28PM | Thread Closed |
"poem"
penny plants pants
please analyze?
i don't know anything bout anything, here i am willing to admit finally.
a triumph!
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| re: who best reads a poem? a novelist or a poet? joey 18 Aug 08 9:30PM | Thread Closed |
works for me -- your poem is a diagram of your head-space. you're writing 'i am willing to" is too. :)
> "poem"
>
> penny plants pants
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> please analyze?
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> i don't know anything bout anything, here i am willing to admit
> finally.
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> a triumph!
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| re: who best reads a poem? a novelist or a poet? joey 18 Aug 08 9:34PM | Thread Closed |
this is a picture this mind in action as writing. there is no europe, there is no reid, but there is this thing in words. we get to decide if this is real and on what level we want to accept this -- as information about how your personality deals with wording or how your wording invents your personality.
> "you are your poem"
>
> not really, but sometimes, sort of:
> ___________________
>
> Invoking Bobo
>
> About all I hold of yours, Bobo, is a Ponce de Leon yearbook,
> 1944, that summer when my dad and you
> became a pair of first-rate liars, enlisting underaged
> to aid the cause, so alike, so many priors,
> Bobo—son of Rath, the principal of that high-school.
> You were an only child and with your best friend, made a rule,
> whatever one decided on, the other pal would also do.
>
> My dad survived—while you crewed
> an ambulance in Europe. My dad came home
> and sired this son. You died overseas in an overturn
> in the body of a boy to be borne home.
>
> My middle name is Reid. My friends all call me Reid.
> It's for you, my first name's—Robert—nearly all I know
> of you is here. I'll never use your name, myself.
> But I will, just this one time, to recall life
> to you, yourself, the man,
> who is not even yet eighteen.
>
> Robert Welch to Robert Rath
>
> ___________________
>
> War images, graphic, of which side, hardly matters
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFRrmA5NcuA&feature=related
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| re: who best reads a poem? a novelist or a poet? unknown 19 Aug 08 5:20AM | Thread Closed |
do you talk during sex or is talk sex?
xx
mrs bauer
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