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re: The Rating System  unknown  21 Aug 08 10:35AM Thread Closed

Mong is starting sound like an echo; maybe he has spent too much time with the monkeys
They are good at throwing shit too.

re: The Rating System  Mongrol  21 Aug 08 11:54AM Thread Closed

> Mong is starting sound like an echo; maybe he has spent too much time
> with the monkeys
> They are good at throwing shit too.

try something new mor... you're boring.


~ Mong

re: The Rating System  unknown  21 Aug 08 12:12PM Thread Closed

It is hardly to be wondered talking to the likes of mong. Stone monkeys are definitely more exciting.

re: The Rating System  mousestmod  21 Aug 08 1:17PM Thread Closed

i'm going to bypass the bickering and say that regardless of how effective the ratings system may or may not be due to various peoples' tampering, i rather like rating and being rated.

1 = if it were a tangible object i would use it to pick poo from my hiking boot.
5 = average.  liked it ok once around but wouldn't necessarily want to read it again.
10 =  wow.  if it were legal, and i didn't feel as though it might reject me, i would propose marriage to this poem.

i know that it's unlikely that anyone cares about this.  but there you go.

re: The Rating System  unknown  21 Aug 08 1:25PM Thread Closed

Well there not a lot of chance of you getting tens, so your theory is purely academic.
You would be better staying with the bickering.

re: The Rating System  mousestmod  22 Aug 08 4:46PM Thread Closed

zero chance, i'm sure.  i'm pretty enthused when i get above a 4.

nice that you've posted anonymously, by the way.

re: The Rating System  eyerite  22 Aug 08 10:36PM Thread Closed

I say do away with the damn rating system. It is essentially useless, entirely subjective,  and offers little indication of which poems are "best", as if such a thing can even be agreed upon in the world of poetry.

Live poetry workshops don't have rating systems (as far as I've experienced), yet they seem to function quite well. Perhaps in the form of a rubric such a rating system would have some success, but that offers a whole new set of problems. Writing poetry shouldn't be a competition, and a poetry workshop certainly shouldn't be, either. Whether someone gives me a 10 or a 1 doesn't tell me anything about how my work succeeds or fails. A paragraph of criticism is worth more than a thousand 10s.

So, really, who cares? The only thing that bothers me a little is that the highest rated poems are bound to be read more often and therefore receive more feedback (though not necessarily more useful feedback). But, aside from that, I think ratings can easily be ignored at no loss to any of us as poets.


Note: It just occurred to me someone probably has already said this. I admit, I didn't read the entirety of the seven pages of posts. If so, sorry for being redundant.

re: The Rating System  AlchemiA  22 Aug 08 11:32PM Thread Closed

-- the Heart is an organ of Awe which makes the mind to Wonder and as the Great German Romantic Poet, Novalis, wrote, 'Poetry heals the wounds that reason makes,' and I dare say so does Gardening in the good old Earth. Numerical assessment of anything is a left brain tunnel vision which adds nothing to the understanding of the Pome or Poet. Spanning the Esoterica of the last 3000 years or so with the allusions from the ancient Celtic imagery of the Green Man to the secret language of Alchemy to the Sufi Mysticism re-realized in George Ivonovitch Gurdjieffs magnum opus of Beelzebub's tales to his Grandson there is no room for this doubt based illiteracy of grading a write. The Golden Thread as it is called in some schools of thought which wends its way through all era's of Mankinds search for his place in this Universe. Yes, he is a part, a piece of the carpet that Nature has so craftily woven and this Golden Thread shall continue to be woven in wonders to come. There are no Maps for these Territories, however, yet the Heart is a compass always pointing there -- a well writ deep and philosophical wit in it -- I've always likened Conspiracy Theories and Economies as the New Religion of sorts -- a doubt based Religion as it relies on wounded Reason instead of the Heart which is based in surety; either way it is based on many fears and worries which is the breeding ground of doubt. A restlessness for the longing Goal, that fire within, Like Gaea -- She is imminent with Loves many children to come -- She likes the game of mutation and fractal realization and She sees the Stars and like us longs to be One -- our Sun is a second generation Sun made from the recycled stuff of exploded Stars before it and so too is our Gaea and so too are we -- so we are second chance children of Gaea and so shall we gather ourselves again -- from Stars we come to Stars we shall return ...

There are no maps for the territories of the Heart ... and neither are there numerical gauges nor graphs! Spreadsheets don't mean a thing if your Heart don't sing!

re: The Rating System  unknown  23 Aug 08 1:07AM Thread Closed

I no longer read the top rated.The comments are much too incestuous for comfortable reading and the resulting gush from the authors is rather sickly to say the least.

re: The Rating System  john_daker  23 Aug 08 7:29AM Thread Closed

i wish the poems were organised into categories...like "erotic", "funny", "serious", seriously funny, seriously erotic....so i could pick the ones I want to read more easily
(seriously erotic)

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