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| anyone here interested in craft? joey 20 Aug 08 12:25PM | Thread Closed |
how many people here, do you think, are actually interested in the crafting of a poem, and how to make a poem work? interested in what a poem is and why it fixes itself in the best part of the mind? interested in other kinds of art and how they reflect what we do when we write and how it differs? interested in using this place to talk poet to poet in a mature way -- as though you knew you could craft a poem out and wanted to share and talk with others on that mysterious thing?
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| re: anyone here interested in craft? unknown 20 Aug 08 12:27PM | Thread Closed |
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| re: anyone here interested in craft? netskyIam 20 Aug 08 12:28PM | Thread Closed |
"anyone here interested in craft?"
Check out joey's entrance as an "unknown", at the third entry to this thread
http://www.poetrycritical.net/forum/read/151763/
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| re: anyone here interested in craft? Isabelle5 20 Aug 08 12:29PM | Thread Closed |
Well, we write and post poems. That's enough for me to believe that most of us are here for the craft. I believe the problem for you, Joey, is that we don't all have the same intensity about it. Just like some kids in art class pay attention to every blade of grass while others, just as happily, do the class assignment as an abstract, not caring about the fine points.
You can't pin down the mysterious process of writing anymore than you can see the mysterious process in children of learning to read. Some things cannot be explained well.
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| re: anyone here interested in craft? netskyIam 20 Aug 08 12:33PM | Thread Closed |
>explained well.
well explained.
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| re: anyone here interested in craft? nugunz 20 Aug 08 2:47PM | Thread Closed |
I'm entirely with isabelle on that.
I'm kind of loosing my faith in PC. I'm becoming less, and less convinced that "the why" of the writer is something that should be criticized. I don't see anything wrong with going into a poem not knowing what it deals with, and comming away with something entirely different then what the writer of the poem had in mind. So you "don't understand"? You were trying to read the poem. You should have been trying to live in the poem. You should have been trying to place yourself around the poem.
I don't think it's for the author to provide a key for the reader to sort of decipher the meaning. And if they don't get exactly what I was writing for, as long as they got something for themselves, I'm usually happier then if they were with me the whole entire time.
Poetry isn't one plus one equals two. This wasn't entirely on topic. I could feel myself ranting as i was typing, and just couldn't stop myself.
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| re: anyone here interested in craft? unknown 20 Aug 08 3:04PM | Thread Closed |
Many modern poems are undecipherable by the reader unless given a key by the author which makes the process of poetry nonsense.
Joey writes total nonsense in the guise of poetry, wherein his ruptured mind is at odds with reality.
Why should we tear apart the lesions of his brain to understand the nonsense which is joey?
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| re: anyone here interested in craft? joey 20 Aug 08 3:19PM | Thread Closed |
i think that you're forgetting, in this attack, how really unlettered most of you are -- how few poems you've read outside the contemporary style, and how driven your wording in your verse is by music lyric. there are ways of writing which are simply outside your experience, and your judgment on me and what i write about and how i write about poetry seems as relevant as your thoughts on the uses of the verb in old french verse. you simply don't know.
the nonsense is your trying to sound smart about something which you've not bothered to ask the meaning of. it's shows and it shows how really slacker you are here -- vanity and wanting something for nothing.
> Many modern poems are undecipherable by the reader unless given a key
> by the author which makes the process of poetry nonsense.
>
> Joey writes total nonsense in the guise of poetry, wherein his
> ruptured mind is at odds with reality.
> Why should we tear apart the lesions of his brain to understand the
> nonsense which is joey?
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| re: anyone here interested in craft? joey 20 Aug 08 3:22PM | Thread Closed |
enough for you, isabelle, is simply not enough for some others here. it's like saying that you've enough music with areosmith or enough movie with peggy in pink. we're going to say, yes, ok, but what about the music's phrasing -- don't you think it's kind of too obvious? and don't you think that narrative is ok but that the way the film looks as film is also what a movie is about -- and you're going to what, do a netsky or an isabelle and say that you don't have enough time when you're watching a movie to think about it and don't have to, as netsky might say, have mr. gloomy thoughts about boo-hoo when the world is full of cherry flavored condoms?
in any case, the point of this forum is to try to figure out How to Explain well -- that's what we're doing here and that's why we're writing prose here instead of poetry. some people can't take the trouble to read well.
boo and hoo.
> Well, we write and post poems. That's enough for me to believe that
> most of us are here for the craft. I believe the problem for you,
> Joey, is that we don't all have the same intensity about it. Just
> like some kids in art class pay attention to every blade of grass
> while others, just as happily, do the class assignment as an abstract,
> not caring about the fine points.
>
> You can't pin down the mysterious process of writing anymore than you
> can see the mysterious process in children of learning to read. Some
> things cannot be explained well.
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| re: anyone here interested in craft? unknown 20 Aug 08 3:35PM | Thread Closed |
Poor little joey, gets his knickers in a twist again. He has no concept of the verb attack when one’s world explodes around one.
Why should he, he has never been exposed to the real world of dog eat dog.
He still walks on the grass despite the notices requesting him not too.
Safe in the sanctuary of academia, cloistered in a cocoon from which he may never emerge
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