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re: i hold no grudges.  unknown  29 Sep 08 8:53PM Thread Closed

Exactly, if Joey hates myspace as much as he professes, why doesn't he go write there as a poodle?  You could argue that he is just doing what he likes.  Anyway, his persona seems to hate poodles, is that because he is a poodle?

re: i hold no grudges.  netskyIam  29 Sep 08 8:53PM Thread Closed

> i will never marry a poet.

Whitman may have well said that.  Instead he took in a pickpocket youth.
Same thing.

re: i hold no grudges.  1994  29 Sep 08 8:56PM Thread Closed

i'd like to give you a high five.


> > i will never marry a poet.
>
> Whitman may have well said that.  Instead he took in a pickpocket
> youth.
> Same thing.

re: i hold no grudges.  netskyIam  29 Sep 08 9:05PM Thread Closed

see, you are bolder already!

Eighteen, here she comes!  

Watch out!! This is no Fay Wray.

She's Crawford, but a nice one;
more like Jean Arthur, with her tongue,
and with vision of all things, those
that grunt and grope
and would put her in
a red velvet swing.

re: i hold no grudges.  unknown  29 Sep 08 9:07PM Thread Closed

Anyways, I write quite well so I think it's a bit sad that you have to invent characters to maintain control.  I bear no grudge towards you.  Pity perhaps.  That you can't share what you've learnt over the years with a younger generation and have to invent characters, rather than passing knowledge down as has always been the case.

Enjoy your dictatorship, bye

re: i hold no grudges.  joey  29 Sep 08 9:13PM Thread Closed

yah, but people don't get that they're the 'root' of their own poem, but when they counter-attack a harsh crit they sure go for the root of the critic. i think that's hypocritical, but probably it's just clue-less on their part. that's why poetry critical is so important -- that you can live through the worst crit and still find that you can still write. in the bad places you're just smothered and you actually start writing for the 'this is nice but the comma is in the wrong place' crowd.

> lol
> that post i made was sarcasm.
> the critic should be as honest as possible
> WITHOUT belittling the author of the piece.
> harsh crit
> and harsh insults
> are different
> harsh crit
> in my opinion
> is a critique that tears apart an entire poem and examines it from its
> very roots.
> harsh insults
> don't get anyone anywhere
> and are ultimately
> not about poetry.
> no one has to "play nice"
> all they need to do is focus.

re: i hold no grudges.  joey  29 Sep 08 9:17PM Thread Closed

jeeex, you sort of sound of sophisticated. is sophisticated working for you... in lit, i mean... i mean, why else would you write 'anyways', the hessian pronunciation, unless you were pretending to be both trailer trash and 'continental' at once?  it's very simple, the continental.




> Anyways, I write quite well so I think it's a bit sad that you have
> to invent characters to maintain control.  I bear no grudge towards
> you.  Pity perhaps.  That you can't share what you've learnt over
> the years with a younger generation and have to invent characters,
> rather than passing knowledge down as has always been the case.
>
> Enjoy your dictatorship, bye

re: i hold no grudges.  joey  29 Sep 08 9:18PM Thread Closed

jeex, if you love me as much as you say, show some emo-underwear.


> Exactly, if Joey hates myspace as much as he professes, why doesn't
> he go write there as a poodle?  You could argue that he is just doing
> what he likes.  Anyway, his persona seems to hate poodles, is that
> because he is a poodle?

re: i hold no grudges.  netskyIam  29 Sep 08 9:34PM Thread Closed

women, take no shit from men.  but use THEIR methods.

I told this story once here years ago.

Bernice, in 1929,  was a  gorgeous young woman, married only two years, to an older man, prosperous mortgage broker.

Bernice had her career, no housey-wife, she.  A trained nurse, she worked that year in the private office of the best MD in Kansas City.

One day, while sorting patient files, she sees her hubby's name on the manila folder.
"FRANK NORMAN".   Opens it.   "presented with primary syphilis chancre.  Mercury treatment.  Case resolved.  Tests clear of bacillus."

Bernice was by this time of telling, a widow for decades,  Frank shot himself dead in the basement on the morn of Dec. 7th, 1941, even before the news of the Pearl Harbor attack came out on the radios.

Bernice discovered his body.

Well, Bernice, so your husband was seeing whores on the side.  Why didn't you divorce him and get a good alimony settlement?

"I loved the fool anyway.  And what good would it have done to get mad at him?  
Instead, I got even.  I met a dashing young airman and we carried on an affair for a while, until I'd proved to myself that I CAN DO IT TOO.   And Frank, poor, depressive Frank, never philandered again (afraid of the clap, which was nearly a death sentence then, in '29).

And Bernice? She did not get mad. She did not confront Frank.  She simply got
EVEN.  And the airman?  She let him down from his flights of romance, gently, very gently.

I met Gilley in 1980, the airman, old, dying of prostate cancer, come to see and then say farewell to the best woman who would ever hold him.  He knew the story and he knew that his part was that of a supporting role.  Yet.....he looked so sad.  

Gilley went back home to California and died a month later.
Bernice, beautiful Bernice, bold, honest, a real man's woman, and even past ninety four,
a beauty:
http://tinyurl.com/4kt2v3

and I am but forty.  No comparison.  She was BOLD and loved by all and fearless and capable and she lived to be 96 years old.

re: i hold no grudges.  netskyIam  29 Sep 08 9:37PM Thread Closed

link correction.  apologies for the error above:

http://tinyurl.com/4syn9o

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